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Re: Belgian Radar Visual

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:33:05 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:27:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Belgian Radar Visual


Jean Pierre,

Thank you for your this information.


>Then I read on sci.skeptic that (at the end
>of December 1996 or beginning of January 1997),
>during an A&E TV broadcast (USA), with
>some people from the SOBEPS (if memory serves),
>it was said that, amongst the various locks,
>there was one simultaneous lock of both fighters
>as well as the ground radar. Reading the transcript
>of the conversation between the ground controller
>and the pilots, and scrutinizing the details of
>the locks as published in the first SOBEPS book,
>I concluded that it could be only locks number
>5 and 6 (Meessen's numerotation), lasting 8 and
>11.4 seconds. And this was very probably IMHO the
>craft flying in straight line from Brussels to
>Liege, at subsonic speed, and followed by the
>Glons and Semmerzake ground radars. But these
>echoes and this craft don't look extraterrestial,
>they don't have the "crazy" characteristics of
>the contact of which you reposted the transcript,
>they look like maybe a private jet flying
>illegally (no transponder). However the whole
>thing remains a bit mysterious.

>Sincerely,
>Jean-Pierre Pharabod


Look at these sets of data.


These are the contacts.
I.

number      (seconds)     at
     1          2.3         00 h 13 March 31,1990
(March 30 22 h 13 GMT)
     2          3.4
     3         19.9         00 h 15
     4         27.5         00 h 29
     5          8.0
     6         11.4
     7          9.3
     8          0.1
     9         45.9         00 h 39
    10         16.2
    11         11.4
    12          9.5
    13         11.2         00 h 46'


Eliminating contact 9 (the other F16), contacts 3 and 4, lasting
19.9 and 27.5 seconds, are the only ones that could relate to
the erratic contact sequence lasting 22.5 seconds.
Contact 4 - 27 sec. - could include 22.5 seconds of radar lock.

But:

>From the staff report it appears that:

00 h 13: First lock on the target designated by the CRC.
Position: "on the nose" 6 NM (Nautical Miles), 9000 feet,
direction: 250. The target speed changes within minimum time from
150 to 970 knots, altitude coming down from 9000 to 5000 feet,
then up to 11000 feet, and, shortly after, down to ground level.


Contact 3 happened at 00.15 according to the table of contacts.
Though we don't have exact corroberation of the times of contact,
contact 3 would seem the best fit for the erratic contact sequence.


II.

 Seconds after    Heading                    Speed    Altitude
   lock-on       (degrees)                  (knots)    (feet)

      00            200                       150       7000
      01            200                       150       7000
      02            200                       150       7000
      03            200                       150       7000
      04      sharp 200          acceleration 150       6000
      05       turn 270              22 g     560       6000
      06            270                       560       6000
      07            270                       570       6000
      08            270                       560       7000
      09            270                       550       7000
      10            210                       560       9000
      11            210                       570      10000
      12            210                       560      11000
      13            210                       570      10000
      14            270                       770       7000
      15            270                       770       6000
      16            270                       780       6000
      17            270                       790       5000
      18            290                      1010       4000
      19            290                      1000       3000
      20            290                       990       2000
      21            290                       990       1000
      22            300                       990       0000
      22.5          300                       980       0000  Break lock



III.

The above contact sequence includes an acceleration from
150 to 560 knots. Which would corroberate with the rounded
numbers the pilot provides in this excerpt, from 100
to 600.

This contact excerpt clearly shows simultaneous radar contact.
It also shows erratic moves that cannot be explained
by any terrestrial aircraft or natural phenomenon.


P=Pilot
C=Controller
Numbers like 300 and 120 are headings, measured in degrees.

*****

           P   Roger SB 100
       C       Civilian traffic 300, 5 miles
           P      "    "    "    "    "
               Steady 120
       C       Continue 100
           P   100
       C       Even 060 now
               060, 5
           P   Steady 060
       C       060, 3. You have contact?
           P   One contact but speed is changing from 100 to 600
       C       I have the same contact
           P   Slightly to right 4 miles
       C       Affirmative. High moving
           P   Steady east now
       C       Roger
           P   Lost contact



Although the above maneuvers could not be witnessed
visually from the ground, the Glons radar
had picked up the signal earlier while the gendarmes
were watching the objects in the sky.

Nowhere in the reports is there any mention that the
Glons radar lost contact with the objects. The Glons
radar did direct the F16s to the target. In other words,
the same objects that were seen by the gendarmes were later
detected by F16 radar AND Glons radar and showed the
erractic signal.

In other words, there is no need to dismiss the F16 radar
recordings as evidence.


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                      Henny van der Pluijm
		      hvdp@worldonline.nl
                 
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