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From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:33:05 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:27:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Belgian Radar Visual
Jean Pierre,
Thank you for your this information.
>Then I read on sci.skeptic that (at the end
>of December 1996 or beginning of January 1997),
>during an A&E TV broadcast (USA), with
>some people from the SOBEPS (if memory serves),
>it was said that, amongst the various locks,
>there was one simultaneous lock of both fighters
>as well as the ground radar. Reading the transcript
>of the conversation between the ground controller
>and the pilots, and scrutinizing the details of
>the locks as published in the first SOBEPS book,
>I concluded that it could be only locks number
>5 and 6 (Meessen's numerotation), lasting 8 and
>11.4 seconds. And this was very probably IMHO the
>craft flying in straight line from Brussels to
>Liege, at subsonic speed, and followed by the
>Glons and Semmerzake ground radars. But these
>echoes and this craft don't look extraterrestial,
>they don't have the "crazy" characteristics of
>the contact of which you reposted the transcript,
>they look like maybe a private jet flying
>illegally (no transponder). However the whole
>thing remains a bit mysterious.
>Sincerely,
>Jean-Pierre Pharabod
Look at these sets of data.
These are the contacts.
I.
number (seconds) at
1 2.3 00 h 13 March 31,1990
(March 30 22 h 13 GMT)
2 3.4
3 19.9 00 h 15
4 27.5 00 h 29
5 8.0
6 11.4
7 9.3
8 0.1
9 45.9 00 h 39
10 16.2
11 11.4
12 9.5
13 11.2 00 h 46'
Eliminating contact 9 (the other F16), contacts 3 and 4, lasting
19.9 and 27.5 seconds, are the only ones that could relate to
the erratic contact sequence lasting 22.5 seconds.
Contact 4 - 27 sec. - could include 22.5 seconds of radar lock.
But:
>From the staff report it appears that:
00 h 13: First lock on the target designated by the CRC.
Position: "on the nose" 6 NM (Nautical Miles), 9000 feet,
direction: 250. The target speed changes within minimum time from
150 to 970 knots, altitude coming down from 9000 to 5000 feet,
then up to 11000 feet, and, shortly after, down to ground level.
Contact 3 happened at 00.15 according to the table of contacts.
Though we don't have exact corroberation of the times of contact,
contact 3 would seem the best fit for the erratic contact sequence.
II.
Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude
lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet)
00 200 150 7000
01 200 150 7000
02 200 150 7000
03 200 150 7000
04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000
05 turn 270 22 g 560 6000
06 270 560 6000
07 270 570 6000
08 270 560 7000
09 270 550 7000
10 210 560 9000
11 210 570 10000
12 210 560 11000
13 210 570 10000
14 270 770 7000
15 270 770 6000
16 270 780 6000
17 270 790 5000
18 290 1010 4000
19 290 1000 3000
20 290 990 2000
21 290 990 1000
22 300 990 0000
22.5 300 980 0000 Break lock
III.
The above contact sequence includes an acceleration from
150 to 560 knots. Which would corroberate with the rounded
numbers the pilot provides in this excerpt, from 100
to 600.
This contact excerpt clearly shows simultaneous radar contact.
It also shows erratic moves that cannot be explained
by any terrestrial aircraft or natural phenomenon.
P=Pilot
C=Controller
Numbers like 300 and 120 are headings, measured in degrees.
*****
P Roger SB 100
C Civilian traffic 300, 5 miles
P " " " " "
Steady 120
C Continue 100
P 100
C Even 060 now
060, 5
P Steady 060
C 060, 3. You have contact?
P One contact but speed is changing from 100 to 600
C I have the same contact
P Slightly to right 4 miles
C Affirmative. High moving
P Steady east now
C Roger
P Lost contact
Although the above maneuvers could not be witnessed
visually from the ground, the Glons radar
had picked up the signal earlier while the gendarmes
were watching the objects in the sky.
Nowhere in the reports is there any mention that the
Glons radar lost contact with the objects. The Glons
radar did direct the F16s to the target. In other words,
the same objects that were seen by the gendarmes were later
detected by F16 radar AND Glons radar and showed the
erractic signal.
In other words, there is no need to dismiss the F16 radar
recordings as evidence.
__________________________________________
/ Met vriendelijke groet/Best wishes \
Henny van der Pluijm
hvdp@worldonline.nl
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