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Response to James Oberg's:

by Jerry Cohen

DR. J. ALLEN HYNEK: a Brief Biography - continued
Oberg/Cooper rebuttal.3b
continued from 3a

Some additional comments by:
Walter Webb, astronomer, Charles Hayden Planetarium, Boston


To input some data concerning the question I mentioned earlier;
"Are there any other respected scientists that analyzed UFOs 
and became seriously interested in them?"  Here is another 
scientist who's interest in UFOs began the same year my own
interest was sparked...1957. (I discovered I was incorrect here.
He wrote me to say his interest actually began in 1951, after
his own personal sighting.)
  The following information was written for CUFOS International  UFO Reporter (1/93), approximately 6 years after Hynek's death.   The article was titled "Allen Hynek As I Knew Him."  Its author,  Walter Webb, an astronomer at Charles Hayden Planetarium, Boston. Webb had worked for Dr.Hynek beginning in February 1957 when Dr. Hynek was setting up tracking stations for the Smithsonian  Astronomical Observatory. Hynek had hired Webb as a kid out of  college sometime that February.                                ----------    His job was to generally assist the STP staff at the Smithsonian.  After Sputnick II went up, the rush was on to get observers to their  tracking stations. Webb got an assignment on a station atop 10,000 ft.  Mount Haleakala on Maui, Hawaii. Their station became the first one  overseas to be equipped and staffed. Webb saw Hynek almost every day  during that time.    Webb said that he realized there was a core of difficult UFO cases  that couldn't easily be explained when he was at Hynek's house one  evening in 1957 and Hynek, who was cheerfully explaining away some  sighting reports to students, etc. came to the following case:
"an object approached a pilot on a collision course, 
veered, paralleled the plane and then shot upward, joined
another object, and streaked away."
Webb jotted this case in his diary. It turned out to be another spur 
to Webb's own curiosity regarding the topic.     Webb eventually became a scientific advisor to NICAP and good  friend of Richard Hall, editor of "The UFO Evidence";  former  Assistant Director and Acting Director of NICAP.  As previously  mentioned, "The UFO Evidence was a 200,000 word documentary report  which contained approximately 746 documented sightings by Air  Force, Army, Navy & Marine people, pilots and aviation experts,  other military personnel, observations by professional scientists  and engineers, including astronomers and aeronautical engineers,  which had been presented to congress in 1964."  Hall now contributes to every major UFO organization in the United
States.  Webb's name appeared on the inside front cover of "The UFO  Evidence" as one of a group of Special Advisors (Science & Technology)
to NICAP.                                ---------- 
    This is what Webb said, in his own words.  (jc: bolding both here and below inserted by me to highlight that particular statement.)
"....occasional anomalous trails showed up on later
photos in the Baker-Nunn network.  Bud (Ledwith) 
started to examine both tracking station film and 
Moonwatch reports for UFO traces.  Hynek did 
comment on 'oddities' that appeared on both the 
tracking photos and Moonwatch observations." 

jc 2/23/2007: Slight correction here: Walt recently wrote me 
and mentioned the above paragraph was his, but the next 
two paragraphs are from Dr. Hynek.

Therefore, Hynek's comments were:

"I certainly know that in the satellite tracking mission
we got a number of things that appeared on the films that
were never tracked down; they weren't part of the mission!  
A person who says that the Baker_Nunn cameras never picked up anything is just dead wrong because I know they did ..  I was in charge of the project!   We just didn't bother about it.  It would have been too much work to investigate some strange lights;  it would have diverted men from the job they were supposed to do. . . . "    "We received many reports from our Moonwatch stations concerning the strange lights that certainly weren't satellites.  Many of these witnesses were amateur astronomers and generally well acquainted with the skies."
So one can see that UFO oddities _had_ been causing at least
 _some_  scientists to express an interest in them. Something 
out of the ordinary was definitely being seen and was arousing 
people's curiosity. 

It is highly interesting to note that more astronomers believe 
the UFO topic is a subject worthy of study then one might realize. 
7/24/2009: Please click HERE to see an important 1977 video (for as long as it remains at this address) of Dr. Hynek testifying concerning a study regarding same.
------------------------------------------------------------------  As evidence of how the many years Dr. J. Allen Hynek studied the UFO topic eventually changed his thinking, here are some of his  quotes taken from various sources:
    Hynek quote from "The UFO Experience"
"Before I began my association with the air force, I had
joined my scientific colleagues in many a hearty guffaw
at the "psychological postwar craze" for flying saucers
that seemed to be sweeping the country and at the naivete
and gullibility of our fellow human beings who were being
taken in by such obvious "nonsense." It was almost in a
sense of sport that I accepted the invitation to have a
look at the flying saucer reports....."
Hynek, J. Allen:  The UFO Experience,  Chicago:  Henry Regnery Co.,
1972 . Part 1 The UFO Phenomenon . Introduction: An Innocent in 
UFO Land . paragraph 4


Hynek quote from 1st page of "The Hynek UFO Report"
"I had started out as an outright 'debunker,' taking
great joy in cracking what seemed at first to be puzzling
cases. I was the arch enemy of those 'flying saucer
groups and enthusiasts' who very dearly wanted UFOs 
to be interplanetary. My own knowledge of those groups 
came almost entirely from what I heard from Blue Book
personnel; they were all "crackpots and visionaries.'"
Hynek, J. Allen . "The Hynek UFO Report" . Dell Publishing Co. 1977
Here are some quotes from his foreward to Fawcett and Greenwood's  
"The UFO Cover-Up." (Fireside books, Simon & Schuster 1984), 
two years before his death
     "Experienced UFO investigators have, over the years,
been the recipients of many tales and undocumented
statements, generally from former military pilots and
crew members about having their aircraft "scrambled"
(launched in immediate response to an alarm) to pursue 
a UFO, of UFOs encroaching on high-sensitivity areas on
military bases, of malfunctions of defense equipment in
the presence of UFOs, of planes lost while pursuing UFOs,
and, yes, even tales of crashed saucers and of alien
beings kept in the deep freeze." ...... 
     "Now, however, documentation which puts the UFO-
U.S. government controversy in quite a new light has
become available. The authors have made revealing use of
documents released through the mechanism of the Freedom
of Information Act and other data which have been made
available to them, often through private sources, which
show that the CIA and NSA protestations of innocence and
lack of interest in UFOs are nothing short of
      "The reader must judge for himself or herself just
how far these implications extend, but certainly no one
can deny any longer that various intelligence agencies of
our government were long cognizant of UFOs and the global
extent of this phenomenon.  Official dispatches from our
embassies and air bases in other countries to these
agencies, to the State Department, and even, on occasion,
to the White House, bear incontrovertible witness to
      "For the government to continue to maintain that
UFOs are nonexistent in the face of the documents already
released and of other cogent evidence presented in this
book is puerile and in a sense an insult to the American
From the quotations I have presented to this point, we can note 
the dramatic change in Hynek from skeptic to qualified believer. 
However he did not always believe the Air Force and government 
was purposely hiding information.  Certain specific things Hynek 
discovered along the way in his research precipitated this change. 
At this point we need to examine UFO history as a background to 
some of the discoveries he made concerning UFOs and the Air Force. 
Oberg/Cooper rebuttals 4 & 5 will cover this and more in depth.

End: Oberg/Cooper rebuttal.3b

To: O/C rebut.4a

Review Dr. Hynek's life,
1978 FOIA Releases
1981 FOIA Releases

Obtaining "The UFO Cover-up" (formerly: "Clear Intent")

His life and a few of his accomplishments

Respectfully submitted, 
Jerry Cohen

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Rebuttal Table of Contents (hyper-linked)

O/C rebut.1a - Introduction

O/C rebut.1b - Intro. (continued)

O/C rebut.2 - "Skything 1960"

O/C rebut.3a - Hynek, from skeptic to "qualified believer"

O/C rebut.3b - Hynek, from skeptic to ... (continued)

O/C rebut.4a - UFOs, a synopsis of.... history

O/C rebut.4b - UFOs, a synopsis of.... history (continued)

O/C rebut.5a - Hynek takes us inside Blue Book

O/C rebut.5b - Hynek takes us inside..... (continued)

O/C rebut.6 - Who is, and isn't studying the UFO Phenomenon & Why

O/C rebut.7a - Sebago & Stokes

O/C rebut.7b - Kirtland

O/C rebut.7c - Krtlnd conclusion, B. B. & Condon errors, summation

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